FLYING TRAINING PANEL MINUTES 20 and 21 August 2014 Parkroyal Melbourne Airport Item Title 1 2 Welcome Attendees – Industry 3 4 5 6 Attendees - CASA Apologies Previous Minutes Action Items Due Action Responsible Meeting opened 1257hrs 20 August 2014 Sally Scott, John Douglas, Michael Apps, Kevin McMurtrie, Simon Henderson, WGCDR Terry Sidey Matthew Anderson, Eng Choinh, Neil Hyland Kerry Nolan, Roger Crosthwaite, Ian Ogilvie Lindsay Snell Moved correct Kerry Nolan seconded Michael Apps 1. CASR Part 61 RPL 25nm limit clarification – All items resolved - Closed FTP members to suggest legislative change through SCC process Part 61 MOS Roger Crosthwaite to report progress to next meeting RPL Flight Tests Ian Ogilvie to report progress to next meeting RPL Flight Reviews Ian Ogilvie to report progress to next meeting FTP Members to email key points of concern to Roger Crosthwaite Chair Chair Chair Chair Chair Chair 2. ASIC application CFI signing requirements Neil Hyland to contact Mal Read - Resolved – Closed 3. RAAus PC vs Pt61 competency gap– Michael Apps – Next meeting – Ongoing discussions between CASA and RAAus . RAAus to RPL transition issues, Sally Scott and Michael Apps to progress – Open Civil Aviation Safety Authority Page 1 08/09/2014 7 FSB Update 8 Standards Development Update incl Part 61 MOS 9 ATPL Exam Pass Rates Civil Aviation Safety Authority 61.040 approvals are being progressed for CAR 217 relief provisions New flight test types, ie MEACR and TR Exemption against FER PC requirement ATO PDP Online refresher training FTNS Update and requirements for use FTNS User guides will be available FTNS new user log on process FEH close to completion Part 61 qualification application and flight test forms First 2 weeks of Sept GA FTEs and ASAs will be out in the field CAR 217 CAAP – internal review stage MCC course guidance material nearing FTP members referred to CASA web site for updates on Ops Regs Part 61 AMD 4 due out Thu 21/8 Changes in Part 141 Use of simulators Transition rules ELP and ACROP provisions 61.385 provisions expanded Cyclic training PC requirements clarified IPC/OPC licence entry/exit requirements Licence reprint triggers Revised Part 61 MOS on CASA Web site CAO AMD package about to come out Most of 40 series to be repealed Co-pilot IR transitional provisions discussed Relief provisions for firefighting ops for this summer 1000ft aero endorsement Part 142 AOC transition triggers Discussion on MCC requirements Discussion re general licence transition processes post 1 September Roger Crosthwaite advised the panel on the reasons for reviewing the ATPL examination series. Discussion re the possible need to update the exam questions. Sally Scott and Kevin McMurtrie to contact Gavin Secombe re concerns over exam questions. Page 2 Kerry Nolan Roger Crosthwaite Sally Scott 08/09/2014 10 11 12 Helicopter Safety Trends Future Trends and Directions General Business 13 14 Meeting closed Next Meeting Civil Aviation Safety Authority Hold Over Discussion over future needs for command training in the airline environment. Lindsay Snell Chair Chair FTP members universally indicated their difficulty in locating the marked up version of Part 61. Discussion re protocols for ATO’s when a flight test – retest scenario spans the pre/post Sept 1 date. Discussion on RPL flight test protocols re the handling of RPL endorsements. Discussion on the RPL flight review requirements/ guidance material specific to transitioning RAAus pilots – Sally Scott and Michael Apps to review and report next meeting. There was significant discussion pertaining to the content of FER PCs. Discussion on cyclic training under Part 61- Kerry Nolan to liaise with Simon Henderson re specific airline issues. Roger Crosthwaite to report on progress of MCC course guidance material - next meeting Discussion on FS10/22, command training in simulators, general simulation issues and the use and application of FSTDs in aircrew training. Roger Crosthwaite briefed panel on project status. Potential for further work in 2015. The panel members requested that if possible Quentin Fuller make presentation to next meeting on FSTD approval processes. Discussion on present Day VFR Syllabus requirements, integrated training and what would be acceptable under Part 61. Sally Scott to co-ordinate off-line discussion with interested panel members and provide consolidated input to CASA. Discussion on the Part 61 transition arrangements for instructor trainees Discussion on 61.1230 requirements for flight reviews conducted outside a 141/142 organisation. The panel members requested CASA clarify process to access correct version of Part 61. Roger Crosthwaite undertook to advise when an interim communications solution had been developed. Discussion on FEH FE Hours requirements. Kerry Nolan undertook to review the hours requirements. Discussion on November Meeting Dates. Ian Ogilvie to review and contact members to resolve next meeting dates. Meeting closed 1221hrs 21 August 2014 Agreed 2014 Meeting Dates; TBA Page 3 Chair Chair 08/09/2014 Open ACTION Items # Responsible 1 2 Ian Ogilvie Ian Ogilvie 3 4 Ian Ogilvie Michael Apps 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Ian Ogilvie Ian Ogilvie Kevin McMurtrie Sally Scott Kerry Nolan Roger Crosthwaite Ian Ogilvie Sally Scott Roger Crosthwaite Ian Ogilvie Ian Ogilvie Item Ian Ogilvie to report on ATSB incident data involving EFB’s. Ian Ogilvie to Invite UAS Office rep to a FTP meeting later in year to brief the panel on RPV pilot training. Helicopter Safety Summit CASA proposal for next financial year. RAAus vs GFPT vs RPL discussion on potential competency gap between existing RAAus pilot cert and the Pat 61 RPL. Michael Apps to discuss issue with Lee Ungermann. Invite TLISC to FTP meeting CASA Flight Instructor Manuals Project on hold due Pt 61 projects ATPL Exam questions review Flight review guidance material RAAus pilots transitioning to RPL Airline cyclic training issues MCC Course guidance material development progress Invite Quentin Fuller to next meeting Panel members to provide input to CASA on Part 142 integrated course requirements Review of Industry accessing correct version of Part 61 Flight Examiner Handbook FER Hours requirements review November meeting dates to be resolved Civil Aviation Safety Authority Page 4 Due Date Status Nov 2014 Nov 2014 On Hold On Hold Nov 2014 Nov 2014 On Hold Open Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Nov 2014 Open On Hold Open Open Open Open Open Open Open Open Open 08/09/2014
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