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SUBJECT:
First
SOURCE:
Wa1erus Kero,
Apostolic
Lutheran
December~,
History
1975
COlt'MENTS:
INTERVIEWER:
Michael
M. Loukinen
I:
This is Mike Loukinen interviewing
Walerus Kero, now living
in
Pelkie
but toward the Alston area of Pelkie.
It's
December 4th,
1975, and we're going to be talking
a bit about Walerus'
own
backgrouad and then we're going to focus as much as we can on
Apostolic
Church history
in Pelkie
as much as Walerus says he
can remember.
Where were you born?
R:
In Sweden.
I:
In Sweden?
R:
Yeah.
I:
Where in
R:
Kolaolonbol,
Sweden.
I:
And when did
you come to
R:
1914
I:
Why did
R:
Well,
I:
Un hum, and where
you arrive?
R:
Hancock
I:
Can you tell
me as much as you know about the history
of the
Apostolic
movement in America~..as
you know.
Just take it from
whereTer you want to start
and gradually
then move to Pelkie.
We'll
let you take the ball and go.
Sweden?
America?
you come to America?
I just
happened to
and then
did
you
I worked
like
to go,
go when you
for
the
that's
rirst
Quincy
all.
came here?
Mine for
Where did
a few years
1-17
R:
They was over
and
they
there
in 1914 to
side.
thatcnurch...our
took
1930-31-32,
they
And in Pelkie
they got
side and Heideman's
But ~hey don't
care to go voting,
they let
for church.
They let that go...they
don't
took that church.
I:
R:
Just
the
before
building.
that
time,
I
understand
that...I
Yeah, they might be building
no it's
not...it's
that
old school.
I:
In the
Pelkie
R:
Yeah,
I:
I
R:
In
I:
In
R:
Yeah
I:
Would people
R:
No, not
at
see.
not.
I
the
came 1919
separate...
more
side
voting
after
we had more.
that go.
They don't
go to vote.
So,
church
don't
was
built
in
remember that.
and they
kept
the
care
1915,
I'm...
services
in
School?
little
school
When again
that
did
by the
railroad
crossing
there
now.
you come to Pelkie?
come from all
Alston...~rom
is
arouad
to go to
down at Pelkie.
In
Pelkie,
Alston
from Alston...
had another
con-
gregatioft.
I:
Ah, when did
that
congregation
start?
R:
I don't
I:
When was the
R:
Well,
I:
OhI
R:
No, they been renting
some town halls
and some old church,
another
language speaking people they have church in Alston.
They rented
that too.
And I guess they own that now.
I:
I
R:
Yeah
I:
When did
R:
I don't
know.
they
see.
church
never
build
been
Okay,
the
First
they
buy
it?
know that.
in Alston?
built
It's
church
Apostolic
here.
Church
many years
ago.
owns the
town
hall
now?
I:
R:
Can you tell
me a little
bit about the building
of the church
Pelkie,
I mean who worked on it,
what it was like building
it.
you remember any of that?
Yeah, they
build
one.
I waan't
there...there
I:
This
is
the
R:
Yeah, yeah!
I:
It
R:
Well,
here.
I:
Okay.
R:
Oh,
I:
Andrew (?)
R:
Yeah, and Ira
church
one on the
says 1918,
it's
It
that
there
building
was (?) peoples.
on the
corner
There
not right.
came after.
Do you recall
there
north
end of
wasn't
town.
any church
people
who built
that?
and
might be there
of them old peoples...I
can't
remember
and Jacob Koivonea.
I can't
remember
That's
to.
R:
And Jacob Pelkola
I:
Now this
R:
Yeah
I:
When would you say that
ing the ~irst
services?
R:
I don't
I:
Can you make a guess and say around what time?
R:
I can't...it's
1:
Oh,
R:
Yes.
I:
Okay.
that
when I came
Isaac Verkonen,
I:
is talking
building
Heinonen..
something too.
There was lot
all of them...Herman
Neimisto
them all.
good.
Do
stone.
was someone...Toivo
pretty
'
in Pelkie...oh,
I mentioned that rirst
too,
I was living
here.
They built
any of the
Putkala,
in
That's
better
was in Pelkie
than
that
anyone else
time...no,
he came after,
about the church at the north
church was completed
As you remember.
has been able
yeah.
end of town
and they
started
hold-
can remember that.
about '20 aad after
I guess.
late.
Before
then
there
were some lay
preachers
speaking
around
the area,
as I understand
it.
Can you remember any of the names of
any of the men who used to speak around Pelkie
and around
here?
1-19
R,
Oft,
was Heideman mostly...old
there
of
I:
What kind
eyes...
R:
He was minister,
right
kind of minister.
Goes to minister
school
in Finland...Old
Heideman.
And then there was old Jacob Koivola
was there and Andrew MartiB8aki.
I:
Andrew Martimnaki?
R:
Yeah.
I:
Where
R:
From Boston,
Boston
there.
I:
Ah,
R:
Yeah.
I!t
In around Hancock?
R:
Yeah, behind
did
speaker
Heideman.
Jacob
Boston
Koivola
of
He would
R.
Yeah,
I:
Was that
R!
Yeah, yeah railroad
Boston,
travel
out here
he was traveling
when the
Sometime...not
Massachusettes.
every
Mary,
right
there,
close
to
But he was from
Finland
now and then?
Mineral
Range Railroad
came to Pelkie,
much Nisula;
Oh, I can't
say much.
farmer,
he had a litt16
time.
1:.
Did you hear
him speak?
R!:
Yeah. I l1eard.
was here?
pass around
here to Alston.
and Nisula?
but
sometime
What kind o£ a man was he? A tall
him? Tell me a little
about him.
some
St.
here.
Would he also go to Alston
R:
your
right?
I:
.
shut
the Hancock there.
Yeah.
I.
of
Location?
R:
R!
As you kind
come from?
close
to St. Mary...or
He was living
there.
I was thinking
also,
and man was he?
Alston.
man, short
man...do
you remember
I remember him all right,
but was just like
farm in Atlantic
Mine and then he prayed
1-20
I:
Wa. he a good speaker?
R:
Oh sometimes was all right;
not anymore free Christian.
I:
Okay, can you tell
me where he used to
in what home, in what building...
speak when he came here
R:
Oh, he'd
house...and
I:
In the
R:
Yeah, I guess 80.
It's too much.
I~
Okay, I know I'm stretching
Andrew Martinmaki?
R:
Henry,
I:
Mitta?
R:
Henry Martinmak1,
I:
How do you spell
R:
You can spell
I:
H-e~n-d-r-u?
R:
Yeah.
I:
I've
R:
speak in Pelkie
school
not
last
That
R:
Dh,
I:
Close
R:
Who?
I:
Was his
R:
Yeah,
place.
I:
Okay.
R:
About
I:
When did
school
?
it was
in Alston.
school
building...I
the
limits
can't
of your
remember them all.
memory.
What about
not Andrew.
that?
that.
that
name before.
in Hancock
part.
Where was his farm?
Ch!
at the
(?)...(?)...!or
to
building?
heard
He was living
I:
he went
He went to
Andrew.
never
Alston,
but
was in country
first
"/here was he .from?
and then
Here around
he was farming
the
here
in
area?
there about two and a half miles from here.
to Waisanen's?
is
farm
south
a mile
olose
from
to where the Waisanen
Waisanen.
Brothers
You can see that
south.
he come to
Clay
Country?
Around?
are?
place
from Waisanen
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R:
Oh J I can't.
I:
Okay.
R:
Might
I:
All
R:
He stayed wi tn Heideman.
I:
Would he speak in the
R:
Dh yeah,
I:
In people's
R:
All over...people's
homes too
allover
there and Pelkie.
I:
w~. he a trained
R:
Lay yeah
I:
Did he have a dairy
R:
Yeah.
I:
After
the church
was built
in Pelkie
in,
and they started
to hold serTices
there,
besides
Arthur
Heideman?
R
.
'20.
be about
right,
Oh,
remember that.
and where would
all
he speak?
larger
over...all
church
after
it
was built?
over.
homes?
sometime
speaker
church,
Hancock,
Calumet
here?
we'll
say, around
who used to speak
1920,
there
sometime Martinmaki
I:
Ohho!
».
Yeah.
I:
Did you ever
R!
There was some spiritual
Anybody who was traveling
I:
Could
R:
No...
I:
Try
hard!
R:
It's
too
I:
Evert
Maatila?
R:
Yeah,
Maatila
hear...
~rom Minnesota too who preached there
around here they preach at there.
you remember some names?
much to
start
and
or a lay?
farm over
Koivola,
and in
to
sometime,Isreal
remember them
Hakal
£rom New York Mills
1-22
r o~
How is
R:
H-a-k-a-l, Hakal.
I:
Okay,
R:
Isreal.
I:
Isreal?
R:
Yeah.
I:
He came all
R:
Yeah.
R:
There
I:
Maybe you can help me, when did Old Man Heideman...Arthur
Leopold
Heideman kind of stop speaking?
I know that toward the latter
years of his life
his health
started
to go and his son Paul
Heideman would take on the speaking.
Can you tell
me when he
started
to let Paul takeover
the speaking?
R:
I
I:
Can you
R:
It's
about...I
Finland
for
I:
Paul
R:
Yeah.
I:
But even before
father,
huh?
R;
Yeah,
I:
Do you remember the
All I know was that
R:
Yeah, he was on a fishing
trip
and the boat capsized,
I guess.
How
it went, I don't know; but it started
holding
him up so he don't
drown there.
Then he got washed ashore someplace...I
don't know
where.
I:
It
R:
Yeah, and then
and died.
his
name spelled?
his first
were
can't
name?
the way from New York Mills.
some others
remember
give
that
year
me just
I don't
remember the
names now
right.
a guess?
guess started
already
'14,
but then he was in
awhile
in '15 and '16 he started
to speak.
Heideman
they
but
too,
did.
that
time
was together
he would
so long
his
kind
of
father
go around
with
his
died.
circumstances
ot Old Man Heideman's
he was on a fishing
trip.
death?
was around Portage Entry.
he got
that
part
all
right,
but
he got
pneumonia
1-23
I:
Do you remember his
funeral?
R:
Yeah,
I:
Who spoke at his
R:
Oh, I don't
Ve8sasrlanen
remember
I guess
I:
How is
spelledJ
R:
It's
self.
I:
I know,
them.
R:
That's V-e-s-s-a-s-r-l-a-n-e-n,
I:
Robert
R:
Yeah,
I:
Do you recall
R:
Yeah,
I:
Was it
R:
I don't
I:
Was Paul Heideman any di£~erent
the same way?
R:
Yeah,
living;
hardly
I:
For the
R:
Yeah.
I:
Do you
R:
No, I can't.
I:
Well,
would
R:
That...Walter
I:
1'/here was he from?
Did you go to
it?
I went to his funeral.
that
hard for
funeral?
me to
much about that.
Some Finland
was there
then that
time.
spell
but you try
them.
and if
You'll
have to
you make mistakes
Vessasrlanen.
minister...
spell
I'll
try
them yourto
correct
Robert
Vessasrlanen?
I don't
know then who else
what was said
he was there
in
his
at
was there
his
.funeral.
funeral...as
I remember.
very sad...did...
know that.
I
guess
it
was pretty
than
his
sad.
£ather?
Did he speak in
he speak the same way and keep it right
there
so long he was
but he was about ten years the last
part
he don't
remember
anything.
last
recall
ten
years
of his
life?
when Old Man Heideman
I
can't
died?
remember.
who would Paul Heideman helping
him
speak during
Paul Heideman's
time?
Toro1q
'l.~ila-
speak?
You know, who
1-24
R:
I
..
He came from
there
yet.
Finland
And he would
come and speak every
he's
to
there
and from
Canada
up to
Yeah,
I:
me tn kind or detail
how the split
Ahm, can you tell
with
and Heideman, as you understand
it?
R:
I know, but that's
I:
It's
R:
Yeah,
yeah is
I:
Well,
can you do a little
R:
Well,
too
Calumet.
He's
now and then?
R:
too
speaking
Canada
now, now yet.
much to
start,
finally
came
see.
complicated?
too
complicated.
bit
or that?
went to sel~-rightness
and that's
there.
They started
to...well
their
that's
all.
They figured
it out for
Jew. did in Jesus Christ's
time.
that
they
just
kind
o~ did
good works,
good,
like
I:
They felt
enough?
R:
Yeah, that's
I:
Well,
R:
0. yeah, ok yeah!
That self-rightness
don't
like to speak this.
My English
I:
But I confes8
be able to.
R:
Yeah,
I:
Would you like to explain
it in Finnish
father
or someone could translate.
R:
No, I
I:
But the problem
is,
if
it's
ever to
has to do it and you are one of the
R:
No...no,
I'm not good enough for that now.
That's
to remember what's bygone, I can't do that now.
I:
Okay, well without
going into the parts o~ the Bible where areas
o~ disagreement,
could you tell
me what happened in Pelkie?
You
said there was, ror awhile,
two groups meeting in this
church...as
I understand
it.
did they
if
why they went
heavenly part for doing
that way, self-rightness
that
that
was
more like.
think
that
it
was not
my own inadequacy...I
necessary
to repent.
was more tor their...!
is too short for that.
do not
know enough Finnish
to
I don't...
don't.
That's
too much.
That's
and I have a friend
or my
too much.
be recorded
few people
ift history,
that...
too
someone
much...have
R:
Now?
I
No,
-
just be~ore the split
Heideman group meeting at
meeting
R:
I:
at
another
Yeah, that,
another
one,
Okay,
did
that
larger
started
to
what year?
')1
since maybe 1926 or '27...there
one time and then a Michaelson
was the
group
time.
and
they
'32,
you know about
took that
in Pelkie.
church
when there
and then
we built
were two groups
meeting
that
in
church
when both the Heideman and Michaelson
church
meet as two separate
groups
theft in that
church?
About
R:
I guess they
I:
Un huh.
R:
Yeah,
there.
I:
But
ing
R:
I
I:
Okay.
R:
I don't
I:
A~l right~
who helped build that
')0 and ')1 was it iB the tall?
R:
It
I:
Do you
R:
There was, lot
I:
Can you name some of the
families
R:
There was Andy Wanttaja,
P~rhonen, Kuivinen'8...Bill
Herman Niemisto
and Isaac Paakola;
Isaac
Kuivinen
was working there too and
split
because
our
')1
church
weren't,
for
several
at separate
times
in
don't
was built
in
years
earlier
that
church?
'31 and
than
'32...have
that,
they
to
were
be close
meet-
know that.
know that.
was fall
What time of the year in
somewhere I guess.
remember
who worked
on that?
of them Christian
Wahoo Kuivinen;
~
I:
\~at
was his first
R:
That'.
I:
Okay.
R:
And Jacob Takalo
Isaac
church?
Who went to the
who worked
name?
Seppanen.
was there.
there.
who worked
and Seppanen was working
Heideman side?
there?
there.
L-26
I:
Were you there?
R:
I was there
I:
Was Heinonen
R:
Yeah,
I:
What was his first
R:
What was that...!
I:
There
R:
Yeah, Heinonen was carpenter
I:
And also
R:
Sandel in was not there.
sometime
helping
too.
I belongs to Alston-~that
time.
there?
yeah!
name?
can't
were quite
remember.
a few carpenters
there,
right?
Sandel1n?
I:
all
died...all
I:
or
R:
Yeah.
I:
That's
R:
Yeah.
I:
Can you tell
me stories
about building
that?
~bout the spirit
ot
the people while they were building
that;
about what the women did
to help out and things
like
that.
Where you got the lumber...
where you got the land...tor
the history?
R:
Oh,
I:
Were the
women there?
R:
Oh yeah,
women was in
I:
Were they
R:
No...no women, only made coffee and like
I:
Is there anything
original
why I'm
after.
They's
No, that
time...he
joifted
died out.
Only I'm living.
those
that
church
R:
ones
here talking
to you
they got...Emil
Kemppainen and Andrew Kemppainen got some
ttmber land in outside
there and they going to cut that logs down
and then Bill
Kuivinen
started
to sawing them for the lumber and
other peoples hauled them logs to that sawmill.
Then they hauled
them lumbers to that certain
place.
helping
church...not
in tme woods.
(Chuckle)
build?
else
that
you can remember about that that you'd care
1-27
to say?
R:
Oh, there
was
Pelto
helped,
Art
Marttila
Emil's
father.
was
He was not help.
I've
I:
heard
that
that
was such a painful
would even kind or split
R:
I
..
R:
Yeah,
That
that
time
he helped
Edward
Pelto
went
to
time
and
that
August
some ramilies
up.
sure..
some families
Sure,
it
was like
-~
he wa. with
(?),
.
Heideman and (?) went with
I:
Who helped Heideman speak after
was that also TorOla?
R:
Yeah, Tor~a
came to help
new church was dead before
I:
Aftd anyone
R:
No, there
was all
them
there
and speak there.
I:
Can you mention a £ew names?
R:
Ch, it's
too much.
It's
too much to start
to remember
There was Nelson
~rom Big Lake,
(???),
and some Finland
they was coming here...they
were here.
I:
A. you understand
after
di.ff'erences
Well,
Yeah,
I:
You could
R:
Yeah,
it
I:
When did
R:
Ok about '35.
I:
Well,
see that
stay
been
R:
... call.
I:
That's
R:
Yeah (chuckle)
longer
Heideman
say in
don't
1932.
speak,
speaker
today,
was just
what
do you
think
here
are
and Heideman First
--
happening
from
this
open, is
straight.
and come over
the
them all.
minister
basic
Apostolic,
today.
same way now even.
way back then.
there.
you start
you've
Let's
Tor'la?
same way when they started
to
they went self-rightness
ri~ht
they
split?
Aim and Old
that.
between
R:
the
than
speaking?
speaking
I've
about
~orty
even been alive.
years
yoursel~
then.
1-28
I:
I'm
o
1.
t
only
thirty
years
old.
How did
you come to
speak?
Where was
?
°
R:
Down to
Pelkie;
I:
Anymore?
R:
No, not much...not
I:
Who called
R:
Congregation..
I:
Can you
R:
No, no I can't...no
I can't.
speak there
is congregation
I:
Yeah, I know that; but I just thought you might be able to remember
how you felt that day when they called you. Did you know they
were going to call you that day?
R:
No, they was telling
that long time,
to go and speak; but I keep against.
haTe to start.
I:
Do you remember who the Elders
you remember their
names?
R:
Well,
Isaac
I:
What was this
R:
I
I:
J~cob...and
so Pelkie was the
you feel that first
day?
R:
Dh,
I:
Okay.
R:
Don't
I:
Okay.
R:
I don't
I:
Okay.
R:
Yeah.
I:
I understand.
but
you to
tell
I'm
don't
church
ask
much.
speak?
me about
that
speaking
much.
there
was Pulki,
Paakola...there
gues8
not
Pulki's
that
day?
In
don't
Jokipii,
was all
first
God's
call
nobody
all the time.
I don't like
were
who wanted
Isaac
them...
name?
Kingdom
that.
Pirhonen,
gotRg
to
They wanted me
it...but
then I
you to
speak?
Herman Niemisto
Can you remember?
was Jacob
them
first
time
you ever
spoke.
How did
kind.
ask them kind.
like
in
the
Do
to speak for
So,
that...for
how often
beginning
in
did
1931
mynself.
you hold
and
'32.
services
in the new
1-29
I
R:
Ch,
I:
Was it
R:
No...no,
I:
Would
they
Sunday.
R:
YeaA, that way it
later part.
I:
When did
R:
I
I:
How do you spell
R:
Tulki,
I:
T-u-l-k-i?
R:
Yeah.
I:
Okay,
R:
He's
I:
Can you remember about
R:
NO...RO, I don't.
can't
remember
I
that.
can't
remember
that.
every Sunday at rirst?
ciR't
sometime
alternate,
like
Heideman and Torola
Heideman
was and Tulki
one
from
Sunday
and
Ishpeming
and like
Torala
came there
that.
the
next
then
he come?
remember
you
that.
his
can
I just
ift
I was helping
spell
name?
that
yourself.
want to be sure.
Detroit
now.
I
what year?
don't
Even if
remember
not exactly...
them.
Stop in tape
Yeah, about
I:
19721
R:
Yeah, two or three
I:
Can you tell
R:
Well, don't
lenient.
three
Was it
years
I guess...yes,
Yeah.
I:
What were these
things
years
ago?
in three.
came to
much to
things
certain
care very
R:
a couple
ago I guess
me how that
to
I:
occur?
that
pass?
say what
is
sin.
He went too soft...
like
R:
regard
When did this
Wit.
I:
he was lenient
on as you remember?
1-30
R:
Anything...anything
what is this world is coming and taking
Christiaftity
with them so they won't stay and study there.
He
let go some place and in Finland they took him and told him...
"BUt where you are going now," and asked, "It you'd like
to
contes8 them and ask torgiveness."
But no, he don't...so
he went
ott.
I:
Db, he went to Finland?
R:
Yeah, he went there.
I:
Where did
R:
In
I:
In Clu,
R:
Yeah, there
is
I:
Oh, they're
not
R:
No.
I:
Can you name some of tAe Elders
R!
No, I do.'t
I:
Okay
R:
No
I:
Okay...so
out that
R:
Yeah, that's
right.
I:
Was another
minister
R:
Bietiestu
o~ thiags
giveness.
I:
He is older
R!
No, is not
I:
Well
R~
Yeah
I:
During this
was lenient
AroUJtd this
time?
he go in Finland?
is
that
where the
some.
Elders
There's
in anyone
like
are?
allover
spot
in
them Elders
there.
Finland.
today?
to remember them.
he came back from Finland
and the congregation
he refused to confess for these things.
That's
right
involved?
only
we don't
go with
found
him anymore
B1etiestu?
came back.
He asked ~orgiveness
after
he was in lots
too like Torola is now; but he came back and asked forBut he is not preaching
anymore.
mannow or...?
older,
about
fifty
he was from Ishpeming,
time
like
before this
Torola?
little
over.
right?
more recent
split
ift
t 7l
and
'72, he
L-31
R:
Yeah,
he was...he was...he started to gq with Torola first
then he speak out there
in
I:
And now he is
R:
Yeah,
I:
What's the name of your church now?
American...or
he is Laestad1ans
the Laestadian
R:
Yeah
I:
But there
R:
Yeah, there
is Christian
I:
Dh,
R:
Yeah,
I:
Did
R:
Yeah, it
follower
I:
Ah,
R:
No. . .110, they
I:
So the Torola
go to L'Anse
R:
L'Anae
I:
Hancock?
R:
Yeah
I:
Is there
R:
No,
I:
Do you feel
R:
Yeah.
Stop in
the
are more than
so this
all
it
but
he don't
just
this
tArough
happen in
the United
Finland
speak...preach
I think
one here
the
United
States,
yeah.
too;
but there's
have a split
don't
Emil
anymore,
told
in Pelkie,
the
too.
me it
split
was
right?
country
where
States?
that
no...but
there's
no
there.
there.
followers
is it?
Only
used
to
here!
go to
the
Pelkie
Church,
and Handock.
anything
there's
nothing
else
you can add about
else.
we covered
it
There's
fairly
this?
nothin~
else.
well?
tape
R:
They don't
I:
There's
still
remember back that;
but
took, that's
all down.
a
no
too?
happened there
in Finland.
didn't
Laestadian?
the country.
Allover
Laestadian
Congregatioa
happened throughout
so they
the
Congregation...
is allover
there is
but
and asked forgiveness.
now that Pel~ie Church that
There's
no one anymore.
in Tapiola
thoug.,
right.
now
1-32
R:
Yeah,
I:
And...
R:
...and
Alston,
even sold that
I:
So that's
Tapiola
but not
church.
That
in Pel~ie.
is
out
altogether.
They
what happened finally.
R:
I:
What do you think
the future
of Laestadian Congregation is in the
world that we live now; as you seem to see it after
being
for forty
years and bein~ roughly
eighty
years old.
a speaker
R:
That's
only place where peoples get to heaven.
All them that is
going o~~ from life
Christianity
they's
dead one.
No matter where
they is and no matter who they is, they's
dead one.
So pick they
pull themselt
out ~rom life
Christianity,
they's
dead one.
I:
What about the
R:
Yeah,
bornin~
They call
_in Calumet?
I know that place.
They started
and I know them peoples namely
I:
Takkinen?
R:
Huh?
I:
Takk11\en?
R:
l'V.
I:
0.,
R:
Yeah old country.
I:
Yeah,
way?
I
~!
Yeah,
sure!
themselves
there in north where I been
who started
that.
you mean in the old country?
rightness
know
that
too.
Sure
they
Do you feel
is
going
there
wrong
are In...going
way.
the wrong
That was same way selt-
where they landed like_-
I:
When you say self-rightness,
R:
Yeah.
I:
Sort of
think?
R:
No
T!
I don't
thinking
that
they
you mean self-rightousness?
can judge
others?
Is
that
what you
.no, they.
understand
the
way you use that
word.
I'm
sorry.
1-33
R:
They believe
when we do this and do taat,
we ~et to
altogether
wrong.
I can't
explain
this like
I like,
that I shut my mouth.
I:
Okay,
R:
Yeah
I;
Okay.
you could
do better
in
Finnish...no
doubt.
heaven.
so it's
That's
better

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